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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] Sandman Papers
| [I] Sandman Papers [message #261434] |
Do, 04 Mai 2006 03:11 |
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Pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but _The Sandman Papers_ came out a
cuple of days ago. I got my copies in the mail today.
It's mainly about Gaiman and the Sandman comics, but my Discworld witches
paper appears in it as well. So if you like lit crit, it might be worth a
look.
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students,
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #261668 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 03:08 |
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Stacie Hanes wrote:
> Pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but _The Sandman Papers_ came out a
> cuple of days ago. I got my copies in the mail today.
>
> It's mainly about Gaiman and the Sandman comics, but my Discworld witches
> paper appears in it as well. So if you like lit crit, it might be worth a
> look.
>
YAY Stacie. I'm glad it's out - mega cool!!!
peach
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #261744 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 18:12 |
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On Fri, 05 May 2006 01:08:19 GMT, peachy ashie passion
<exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>Stacie Hanes wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but _The Sandman Papers_ came out a
>> cuple of days ago. I got my copies in the mail today.
>>
>> It's mainly about Gaiman and the Sandman comics, but my Discworld witches
>> paper appears in it as well. So if you like lit crit, it might be worth a
>> look.
>>
>
> YAY Stacie. I'm glad it's out - mega cool!!!
Me Too.
I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy list - along
with the latest collected Lucifer.
Thanks for the heads up
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #261768 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 20:18 |
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From the Collected Witterings of Andrew Nevill, volume 23:
> I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy list - along
> with the latest collected Lucifer.
Two more issues to go for me, then it's done.
BTW, I feel forced to plug Mike Carey's novel at you.
--
If life gives you lemmings, jump off a cliff.
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #261782 ] |
Fr, 05 Mai 2006 22:12 |
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David Chapman wrote:
> From the Collected Witterings of Andrew Nevill, volume 23:
>
>
>>I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy list - along
>>with the latest collected Lucifer.
>
>
> Two more issues to go for me, then it's done.
>
> BTW, I feel forced to plug Mike Carey's novel at you.
>
This is not quite enough of a plug.. more comment please?
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #262910 ] |
Sa, 06 Mai 2006 17:27 |
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On Fri, 5 May 2006 19:18:53 +0100, "David Chapman"
<jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>From the Collected Witterings of Andrew Nevill, volume 23:
Only Volume 23. I must witter more often :-)
>
>> I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy list - along
>> with the latest collected Lucifer.
>
>BTW, I feel forced to plug Mike Carey's novel at you.
<looks at Amazon.co.uk>
Hmmm! Not just novel but novelS. Felix Castor. Looks interesting. Is The
Devil You Know the first one? Amazon isn't being too clear on that point.
The synopsis is also conspicuous by it's absence. Like peachy I would be
grateful for more pluggage, I mean information.
Curse You Chapman. Another book I'd like
Ahhh. So many books, so little money :(
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #262919 ] |
Sa, 06 Mai 2006 18:27 |
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From the Collected Witterings of Andrew Nevill, volume 23:
> On Fri, 5 May 2006 19:18:53 +0100, "David Chapman"
> <jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> BTW, I feel forced to plug Mike Carey's novel at you.
>
> <looks at Amazon.co.uk>
>
> Hmmm! Not just novel but novelS. Felix Castor. Looks interesting. Is The
> Devil You Know the first one? Amazon isn't being too clear on that point.
Yes. Vicious Circle is to follow in early 2007, and the third one is
already written. It's also been optioned, for TV IIRC.
> The synopsis is also conspicuous by it's absence. Like peachy I would be
> grateful for more pluggage, I mean information.
Fairly simple. It's an alternate London, where demons and zombies exist and
most houses have wards against ghosts. The protagonist, Felix Castor, is a
freelance exorcist dragged out of retirement to rid an archive building of a
stray spectre. In the course of preparing for the job, he discovers a
mystery behind the ghost's death and decides to investigate.
> Curse You Chapman. Another book I'd like
Look on the up side - it's a paperback original.
--
If life gives you lemmings, jump off a cliff.
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #263019 ] |
So, 07 Mai 2006 18:03 |
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On Sat, 6 May 2006 17:27:36 +0100, "David Chapman"
<jedit_ojanen8 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>From the Collected Witterings of Andrew Nevill, volume 23:
>> The synopsis is also conspicuous by it's absence. Like peachy I would be
>> grateful for more pluggage, I mean information.
>
>Fairly simple. It's an alternate London, [snip most of synopsis]
>
>> Curse You Chapman. Another book I'd like
>
>Look on the up side - it's a paperback original.
There is that :-)
Thanks for the info and the recommendation. I'll definitely have a look at
it.
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan.
I snogged Madame de Pompadour!
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| Re: [I] Sandman Papers [message #263023 ] |
So, 07 Mai 2006 18:40 |
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Andrew Nevill wrote:
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>>
>>> I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy
>>> list - along with the latest collected Lucifer.
>>
<snip>
>Another book I'd like
> Ahhh. So many books, so little money :(
I should maye say that although the cover price is $18.95, Amazon seems to
have it for $12.
I do want to reiterate that I mention in *here* because there's a Pratchett
(that is, about Pratchett) essay in it and because you lot are my friends.
There's a certain amount of overlap between Gaiman fans and Pratchett fans,
but it's the Discworld essay that's my main reason for mentioning the book.
Which might mean it should be [R].
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #263732 ] |
Mo, 08 Mai 2006 19:15 |
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On Sun, 07 May 2006 16:40:24 GMT, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy
>>>> list -
>There's a certain amount of overlap between Gaiman fans and Pratchett fans,
>but it's the Discworld essay that's my main reason for mentioning the book.
>
Not to mention some overlap between Pratchett and Gaiman's work. Terry
frequently comments on witches coming in 3s - Maiden, Mother and Crone and
it's a theme/motif that pops up constantly throughout Sandman, most notably
with the frequent appearance by the Three Fates.
I would guess that this overlap is the reason your DW essay got into a
Sandman Lit Crit book
In addition, there is also the portrayal of Death as a sympathetic character
and that the afterlife you end up with is the one that you think you ought
to get
>Which might mean it should be [R].
It is now
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #263734 ] |
Mo, 08 Mai 2006 19:26 |
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Andrew Nevill wrote:
> On Sun, 07 May 2006 16:40:24 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy
>>>>> list -
>
>> There's a certain amount of overlap between Gaiman fans and
>> Pratchett fans, but it's the Discworld essay that's my main reason
>> for mentioning the book.
>>
> Not to mention some overlap between Pratchett and Gaiman's work.
> Terry frequently comments on witches coming in 3s - Maiden, Mother
> and Crone and it's a theme/motif that pops up constantly
> throughout Sandman, most notably with the frequent appearance by
> the Three Fates.
That's specifically what the essay is about, didn't I say?
Joe Sanders (the editor of the book)and I wrote a joint paper about the MMC
in the Discworld and Sandman comics.
So, yes . . . that's it in a nutshell. Joe wrote about the Fates, and I
wrote about the Witches.
> I would guess that this overlap is the reason your DW essay got
> into a Sandman Lit Crit book
It is. Just to be clear, I know the editor of the book very well. He walked
me down the aisle at my wedding and has been a mentor for over ten years. We
collaborated to write two halves of one chapter on the goddess mythology. I
had doubts about including mine, but he made it work pretty well, I think.
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #263749 ] |
Mo, 08 Mai 2006 20:33 |
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Andrew Nevill wrote:
> On Sun, 07 May 2006 16:40:24 GMT, "Stacie Hanes"
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew Nevill wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I really like Sandman so this definitely goes on the Must Buy
>>>>> list -
>
>> There's a certain amount of overlap between Gaiman fans and
>> Pratchett fans, but it's the Discworld essay that's my main reason
>> for mentioning the book.
>>
> Not to mention some overlap between Pratchett and Gaiman's work. Terry
> frequently comments on witches coming in 3s - Maiden, Mother and
> Crone and it's a theme/motif that pops up constantly throughout
> Sandman, most notably with the frequent appearance by the Three Fates.
But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both Norse and Greek
mythology, the fates are three women, representing past, present and
future.
The MMC combo is also found in many traditions, as a representation of
the three stages of a woman's life, or the three aspects of womanhood -
bringer of joy, nurturer, keeper of wisdom. Christianity, in its
ineffable wisdom, changed it to MMW, representing innocense, nurturing
and tempation.
Orjan
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The Tale of Westala and Villtin
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Fiction, Thoughts and Software
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #263766 ] |
Mo, 08 Mai 2006 21:07 |
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Orjan Westin wrote:
> But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both Norse and
> Greek mythology, the fates are three women, representing past,
> present and future.
I titled the joint essay.
It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #263936 ] |
Di, 09 Mai 2006 08:46 |
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Stacie Hanes posted:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>
>> But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both
>> Norse and Greek mythology, the fates are three women,
>> representing past, present and future.
>
> I titled the joint essay.
>
> It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
>
Spiel in the English or the German sense?
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<Good sig's are rare>
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #263967 ] |
Di, 09 Mai 2006 13:44 |
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Thomas Zahr wrote:
> Stacie Hanes posted:
>
>> Orjan Westin wrote:
>>
>>> But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both
>>> Norse and Greek mythology, the fates are three women,
>>> representing past, present and future.
>>
>> I titled the joint essay.
>>
>> It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
>>
>
> Spiel in the English or the German sense?
English, but the German's not too bad. Spiel is play, yes? "Spielen zie
schach" is one of the few phrsases I retain from HS German, and I'm not sure
I spelled it right.
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #263980 ] |
Di, 09 Mai 2006 16:18 |
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On 2006-05-09 06:44:26 -0500, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>> Stacie Hanes posted:
>>
>>> Orjan Westin wrote:
>>>
>>>> But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both
>>>> Norse and Greek mythology, the fates are three women,
>>>> representing past, present and future.
>>>
>>> I titled the joint essay.
>>>
>>> It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
>>>
>>
>> Spiel in the English or the German sense?
>
> English, but the German's not too bad. Spiel is play, yes? "Spielen zie
> schach" is one of the few phrsases I retain from HS German, and I'm not
> sure I spelled it right.
Close enough, and I keep saying students of foreign languages shouldn't
be bothered with spelling anyway, as it's only distracting from the
pronunciation.
--
My computer is so fast it can execute an infinite loop in 3 seconds.
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #264014 ] |
Di, 09 Mai 2006 20:08 |
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On Mon, 08 May 2006 17:26:07 GMT, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> Not to mention some overlap between Pratchett and Gaiman's work.
>> Terry frequently comments on witches coming in 3s - Maiden, Mother
>> and Crone and it's a theme/motif that pops up constantly
>> throughout Sandman, most notably with the frequent appearance by
>> the Three Fates.
>
>That's specifically what the essay is about, didn't I say?
Nope. You just mentioned your "Discworld witches paper appears in it [the
Sandman paper] but didn't mention the crossover.
Unusually inexact for you. Must be the stress of ruling the world. I could
pinch hit for a spell whilst you relax :-)
>
>Joe Sanders (the editor of the book)and I wrote a joint paper about the MMC
>in the Discworld and Sandman comics.
>
>So, yes . . . that's it in a nutshell. Joe wrote about the Fates, and I
>wrote about the Witches.
Sounds very interesting. I think I'd enjoy reading that paper. And I can
think of loads of possibilities for critting Sandman so the whole book must
be worth a look. Definitely on the Must Buy list.
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & S*****
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #264077 ] |
Di, 09 Mai 2006 23:57 |
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Stacie Hanes posted:
> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>> Stacie Hanes posted:
>>
>>> Orjan Westin wrote:
>>>
>>>> But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both
>>>> Norse and Greek mythology, the fates are three women,
>>>> representing past, present and future.
>>>
>>> I titled the joint essay.
>>>
>>> It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
>>>
>>
>> Spiel in the English or the German sense?
>
> English, but the German's not too bad. Spiel is play, yes?
> "Spielen zie schach" is one of the few phrsases I retain
> from HS German, and I'm not sure I spelled it right.
>
Yep, but both game and play (noun, all meanings) is in there.
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<Hencefort, the afpfavourite of Graycat :o)>
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #264080 ] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 00:26 |
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Thomas Zahr wrote:
> Stacie Hanes posted:
>
>> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>>> Stacie Hanes posted:
>>>
>>>> Orjan Westin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both
>>>>> Norse and Greek mythology, the fates are three women,
>>>>> representing past, present and future.
>>>>
>>>> I titled the joint essay.
>>>>
>>>> It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Spiel in the English or the German sense?
>>
>> English, but the German's not too bad. Spiel is play, yes?
>> "Spielen zie schach" is one of the few phrsases I retain
>> from HS German, and I'm not sure I spelled it right.
>>
>
> Yep, but both game and play (noun, all meanings) is in there.
Cool. I knew about that. Double meaning score! Because the point really is
that they're reinventing the game.....
--
Stacie, 4th swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons, Bondage-happy predator,
Speaker-To-Students, AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion &
AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED "If you can't be a good example, you'll
just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #264287 ] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 23:32 |
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= <Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.US> wrote:
> On 2006-05-09 06:44:26 -0500, "Stacie Hanes" <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> said:
>
> > Thomas Zahr wrote:
> >> Stacie Hanes posted:
> >>
> >>> Orjan Westin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
> >>
> >> Spiel in the English or the German sense?
> >
> > English, but the German's not too bad. Spiel is play, yes? "Spielen zie
> > schach" is one of the few phrsases I retain from HS German, and I'm not
> > sure I spelled it right.
>
> Close enough, and I keep saying students of foreign languages shouldn't
> be bothered with spelling anyway, as it's only distracting from the
> pronunciation.
Speeking as sumewun who is still, and will be four I and I, a stewdent
of Inglish, ike all that nun-sensical.
Richard
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| Re: [R] Sandman Papers [message #264293 ] |
Mi, 10 Mai 2006 23:39 |
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Stacie Hanes posted:
> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>> Stacie Hanes posted:
>>
>>> Thomas Zahr wrote:
>>>> Stacie Hanes posted:
>>>>
>>>>> Orjan Westin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But in both cases they draw on old folklore. In both
>>>>>> Norse and Greek mythology, the fates are three women,
>>>>>> representing past, present and future.
>>>>>
>>>>> I titled the joint essay.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called "Reinventing the Spiel."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spiel in the English or the German sense?
>>>
>>> English, but the German's not too bad. Spiel is play,
>>> yes? "Spielen zie schach" is one of the few phrsases I
>>> retain from HS German, and I'm not sure I spelled it
>>> right.
>>>
>>
>> Yep, but both game and play (noun, all meanings) is in
>> there.
>
> Cool. I knew about that. Double meaning score! Because the
> point really is that they're reinventing the game.....
>
In that case: well done, or rather, gut gemacht.
--
Ciao
Thomas =:-)
<what a waste>
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